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Method of site acquisition:
Sealed envelope coupled with geographic coordinates.
The  sealed  envelope  was  given  to  the  subject irnmediately prior to the interview.  The envelope was not opened until after the interview.   In the envelope was a 3 X 5 card with the following information:
The planet Mars.
Time of interest approximately
1 rnillion years B.C.
Selected  geographic  coordinates,  provided  by  the
the information, were
during the
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TRANSCRIPT         May 22, 1984
MON:       (ROJ for 5/22 (May 22nd), time 10:09 AM.)*
MON:       (Plus 10 minutes, ready to start.)*  All right now, using the inforrnation in the envelope I1 ve provided, exclusively focusing your attention             now, using  the information in the envelope, focus on:
40.89 degrees north
9.55 degrees west
SUB:       ••••••••I want to say it looks like ah ••••r  don 1 t know, it sort of looks •••I kind of got an oblique view of a ah pyramid            or pyramid form.  It 1 s very high, it 1 s kind of sitting in a ••• large depressed area.
MON:       All right.
SUB:       It's yellowish, ah ••okra colored.
MON:       All right.  Move in time to the time indicated in the envelope  I've  provided  you  and  describe  what's happening.
SUB:       I 1 m tr ack ing severe, severe clouds, more 1ike dust storm, ah it's geologic problem.        Seems to be like a ah ••Just a minute, I've got to iron this out.    It 1 s really weird.
MON:       Just report your raw perceptions at this time, you're still early in the session.
SUB:       I1 m  look ing at, at  a after  effect of  a major geologic problem.
MON:       Okay, go back to the time before the geologic problem.
SUB:       ••••••••Um,  total  difference,  it's  ah ••before there 's no ah •••ah I don 1 t know,.... oh hell, it 1 s like mountains     of dirt appear   and then disappear when you go before.  See ah •••• large flat surfaces, very     ah ••smooth •••angles, walls,  they 1 re really large though, I mean they're megalithic, ah •••
MON:       All r ight.  At this per iod  in time now before the geolog ic activ ity, look around, in and around        this area and see if you can find any activity.

SUB:       •••••I 1 m seeing ah •••It 1 s like a perception of a shadow of people, very tall ••thin, it 1 s only a shadow.       It 1 s as if they were there and they 1 re not, not there anymore.
MON;       Go back to a period of time where they are there SUB:           ••.Um ••••. (mumble) It 1 s like  I get a lot of
static on a line and everything, it 1 s breaking up all
the time, very fragmentary pieces.
MON:       Just report the raw data, don't try to put things together, just report the raw data.

SUB:       I just keep seeing very large people. thin and tall, but they're very large. some kind of strange clothes.

They appear Ah .•wearing

MON:       All right, now holding in this time period, holding in   this time per iod, I want  to move  from your physical         location   in  space  to  another  physical location, but in this time period.  Move now to:
46.45 north
353.22 east
Move in this time to:
46.45 north
353.22 east
SUB:       •••Deep inside of a cavern, nota cavern, more like canyon.  Um, I'm looking up, up the sides of a steep wall that seem to go on forever.    And    there's like ah ••• a structure with a ••it's like the wall of the canyon itself has been carved.        Again I'm getting a very large structures, no •••• ah •••no intricacies, huge sections of smooth stone.
MON:       Do the structures have insides and outsides?
SUB:       .•••.•Yes, they're very, it 1 s like a rabbit warren, corners of rooms, they're really huge, I don't, feel like I'm  standing      in one  it 1 s just really  huge. Perception         is that the ceiling      is very high, walls very wide.
MON:       (Real time plus 22 minutes.) *   Yes that would be correct.  All right, I'd like to move now to another location nearby.  All right, move from this point in this time to:

45.86 north
354.1 east
45.86 north
354.1 east
SUB:       They have a ah •••appears to be the end of a very large road and there 1 s a ••marker         thing that 1 s very large, keep getting Washington Monument overlay, it 1 s like an ••obe1isk.
MON:        A11  right.   From  this point  then, let us move  to another point.  Move now to:
35.26 north
213.24 east
Move in this time to:
35.26 north
213.24 east
SUB:        ••••••••It 1 s like I1 m  in the middle of a  huge circular basin  ••of the range mountains  by almost a11 the way around, very ragged, ragged mountains, very ta11. Basin 1 s very, very, very 1arge.         Scale seems to be off or something  it 1 s just really big, everything 1 s big.
MON:       I understand the prob1em just continue.
SUB:        ••••See just a right angle corner to something but that 1 s all, I don 1 t see anything else.
MON:       Okay. Then let 1 s move into a little different p1ace, very close. Move from the point you are now, in this time, to:
34.6 north
213.09 east
Move now in this time to:
34.6 north
213.09 east
SUB:        The cluster of squares up and down. Um.. . it 1 s like you want to make them square anyway. They 1 re almost flush wi th the ground and i t 1 s like they 1 re connected •••Something very white or reflects light.

MON:       What 1 s your posi tion of observation as you 1ook at this thing that ref1ects 1ight?
SUB:       I 1 m  amid ah ••ob1ique 1eft ang1e, sun is ah... sun is weird.
MON:       Look back down at the ground now, and we 1 re going to move just a 1itt1e bit from this p1ace, just a 1itt1e bit from this p1ace.
34.57 north
212.22 east
Very c1ose by.  Now, move over now to:
34.57 north
212.22 east
SUB:       It 1 s 1ike I can  just  perceive  ah ••ah ••1ike  a radiating  pattern  of  some  kind.   It 1 s 1ike some rea1ly ••ah ••strange intersecting kind of roads that are dug into va11eys, you know, where a road is just a 1ittle be1ow the edge.
MON:       Te11 me about the shapes of these things.
SUB:       •••••They 1 re 1ike real neat channels cut, they 1 re very deep, it 1 s like the road went down •••••••••
MON:      Okay.  Now I have, I notice e1ectr ica1ly you 1 re nu1led out a little bit and I want you to stay deep and recapture your focus here.
SUB:       It's really tough, it 1 s seems 1ike it's just always very sporadic.
MON:       Irealize that, it 1 s very important that you maintain your focus.    I have a movement exercise again for you and this is      some considerable  distance away, so ho1ding the focus in time, remember the focus in time that you had before and moving now to:
15 degrees north
198 degrees east
Take some time and get back deep.
SUB:       See the ••••••um, intersecting  ah •••whatever  these are, are aqueduct type things.... these.... rounded bottom carved channe1s, 1ike road beds. See ah •••••

see pointed tops of something on the horizon.  Even the horizon looks funny and weird, it's like ah •••• different •••misty,   like    it 's really       far  away •••• very vague.
MON:       Okay.  Another movement now to:
80 degrees south, 80 degrees south
64  degrees east, 64  degrees east
Move now in this time to:
80 degrees south
64  degrees east.
SUB:       See pyramids •••Can't tell if it's overlay or not 'cause they're different.
MON:       Okay.  Do these pyramids have insides and outsides?

SUB:       ••••••Um-hum, got really, ah •••it 's getting.

both,  and  they're huge ••••It's an   interesting    perception I'm

MON:       (I think  that he's  losing  his ability  to move accurately, but he is attracted  to things that are interesting, so we're going to go with his own, we're going to let him go ahead and explore what seems to be interestinq to him rather than move on the targets indicated here.)*
SUB:       It's filtered from storms or something. MON:           Say that again, SUB.
SUB:       They're like shelters from storms. MON:           These structures you're seeing? SUB:           Yes.  They're designed for that.
MON:       All r ight. Go inside one of these and find some activity to tell me about. (Plus 37 minutes real time.)*
SUB:       Different chambers, ••but they're almost stripped of any    kind of ••furnishings or  anything,  it 's like ah ••strictly functional place for sleeping or that's not a good word, hibernations, some form, I can't, I get real    raw  inputs,      storms,  savage  storm,  and sleeping through storms.



Tell me about the ones who sleep through the storms.
••••••••Ah ••very ••tall   again,   very   large ••• people, but theyfre thin, they look thin because of their height and they dress like in, oh hell, itfs like a real light silk, but itfs not flowing type of clothing, itfs like cut to fit.
Move close to one of them and ask them to tell you about themselves.
Theyfre ancient people.  Theyfre ah theyfre dying, it's past their time or age.
Tell me about this.
Theyfre very philosophic  about it.  Theyfre looking for ah •••• a way to survive and they just canft.
(Plus 40 minutes, definite voltage reversal.)*
Canft seem to get their way out, they can't seem to find their way out,•••so they f re hanging         on while they     look or   wait     for   something to   return     or something coming with the answer •••••••••
What is it theyfre waiting for?
•••••Theyfre ah ••••evidently was a ••••a group or a party of them that went to find ah ••new place to live. Itfs like  Ifm          getting     all kinds     of overwhelming     input             of    the •••corruption   of   their environment.       It f s failing very   rapidly  and       this group went somewhere, like a long way to find another place to live.
What was the cause of the atmospheric disturbance or the environment disturbance?
••••••••••••••• I see a picture of a, picture of like a, oh hell, itfs almost a warp in a, oh god, this is difficult.  Itfs like going, letfs see---
The raw data?
Oh, I get a globe  ••••ah ••itfs like a globe that goes through a cometfs tail or    •••• itfs through a r iver of something, but it 's all very cosmic.   It f s like space pictures.
All right, now before you leave this individual, ask him if there is any way that you, ask him if he knows

who you are and is there any way you can help him in his present predicament?

SUB:       ••••••••••••••All I get  is wait.   Doesn't know who I am. a hallucination or something.

that  they  must  just Think he perceives I'm


MON:       Okay, when the others left, these people are waiting, when the others left, how did they go?


SUB:       •••••••••••••••• Get an impression of ah ••••••• Don't know what the hell it is.       It looks like the inside of a larger boat.       Very rounded walls and shiny metal.


MON:       Go along with  them on their  journey and  find out where it is they go


SUB:       ••••Impression of a really crazy place with volcanos and gas pockets  and  strange plants, very volatile place, it 's very much like going   frorn the frying pan into the fire.   Difference is there seems to be a lot of vegetation where the other place did not have it. And different kind of storm.


MON:       All right it's time to come back now to the sound of my voice into present time to right now the 22nd of May 1984, the sound of my voice.            Move now back  to the room, back to the sound of my voice, back further now to the sound of my voice on the 22nd of May 1984.







NOTE:   ()*   Indicates monitor comment recorded but not heard by the subject.






















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